Friday Sprog Blogging: Kids Day at SLAC 2010 and the saga of Mr. Marshmallow Man.

The younger Free-Ride offspring reports on one of the workshops at Kids Day @ SLAC 2010:

Dr. Free-Ride: Tell me the story with Mr. Marshmallow Man.

Mr. Marshmallow Man

Younger offspring: Mr. Marshmallow Man got put into a vacuum chamber, and it was also kind of like a time machine, ’cause when they put him in, he was, like, porking out on all these marshmallows. Except, he wasn’t eating himself. And then, the time flew fast and he turned eighty. Then he porked out some more. And then, time flew more fast, and then he turned a hundred, and then his head fell off and I came to his funeral. (In a dramatically sad voice) I’ll never forget you, Mr. Marshmallow Man!

Dr. Free-Ride: OK, but can you tell me what was happening in terms of the balloon in the vacuum? What actually happened?

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Friday Sprog Blogging: Kids Day at SLAC 2010 hazards and mitigations.

Longtime friend of the Free-Rides LO has been instrumental in hooking the Free-Ride offspring up with Kids Day @ SLAC. Finally the year has come when the younger Free-Ride offspring meets the age requirements to join the elder Free-Ride offspring. As is our practice, we prepared by reviewing the safety information:

Dr. Free-Ride: So, we’re talking about Kids Day @ SLAC. I’m showing you the logo for this year’s Kids Day @ SLAC. There seems to be some sort of — I don’t know if that’s a laser beam or something. Looks interesting. But, the part we need to discuss has to do with the safety information. “All children must wear long pants, Kids Day T-shirts” — which you guys will get from LO and put on when you get there — “closed-toe shoes, no jewelry, and long hair must be pulled back. Please review the hazards and mitigation information on the workshops.” Younger offspring, let’s look at workshop B.

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Friday Sprog Blogging: please stand by.

Dr. Free-Ride is pinned down in committee meetings for a while.

There will be a conversation with the Free-Ride offspring posted later today. In the meantime, here are whiteboard traces of a science-y conversation the sprogs had recently with Dr. Free-Ride’s better half.

On our whiteboard

Yeah, I find the “sand” thing worrisome, too.

Friday Sprog Blogging: common ancestors.

Even though we’ve had many conversations with the sprogs on the general topic of evolution, the influence of pop culture (and especially cartoons) seems sometimes to muddle their grasp on the details. Last night, we revisited the subject.

Dr. Free-Ride: You wanted to talk about evolution.

Younger offspring: Mmm-hmm.

Dr. Free-Ride: What about evolution did you want to talk about?

Younger offspring: What evolved into humans?

Dr. Free-Ride: And at the dinner table, how did you phrase the question?

Younger offspring: At the dinner table, I think I said, “What creature was in between the ape and the human?”

Dr. Free-Ride: And [Dr. Free-Ride’s better half] suggested that that wasn’t the right way to look at it. Can you explain what the problem is with imagining that apes evolved into humans?

Younger offspring: Well, the problem with that is that apes are still alive now, humans are still alive now, they were evolving in the same period of time. So how could one ape evolve into a human? It’s like [elder offspring] evolving into me.

Dr. Free-Ride: Which strikes you both as ridiculous.

Elder offspring: Yeah, there’s no way [younger offspring] is related to me.

Dr. Free-Ride: Um, no. You’re related. Deal with it. Anyway, I guess the best way to think about where humans came from and where apes came from is that we have some common ancestor — kind of like your grandparents are ancestors you share with your cousins.

Elder offspring: We’re related to our cousins, but not exactly alike.

Dr. Free-Ride: But you are in the same species, which means potentially that human cousins could have offspring together. Anyway, we’re talking about many, many more generations between humans, and apes, and the common ancestors we share.

Elder offspring: Lots of generations.

Dr. Free-Ride: Anyway, knowing what you do about humans and apes, what do you think our common ancestor might have been like?

Younger offspring: Our common ancestor might have been like … yeah, I’ve got nothing. I think I’ll draw it.

Dr. Free-Ride: OK. And do you have any thoughts on what our common ancestor with apes might have been like?

Elder offspring: Trilobites.

Dr. Free-Ride: What?!

Elder offspring: That’s a very, very, very, very, very, very, very early common ancestor.

Dr. Free-Ride: Really? Of us and apes?

Elder offspring: Well, I think we’re distantly related.

Dr. Free-Ride: Very distantly. Well, it’s hard to roll the tape back to see where all the creatures that are here today came from — since the common ancestors different kinds of organisms share aren’t around now, it can be hard to imagine what they were like. I wonder if you have any ideas on how, from our common ancestor, we ended up with humans and apes (and possibly other relatives) the way they are now. How did the descendants of this common ancestor get to be different?

Elder offspring: Well, how evolution works is parents have offspring that are slightly different from the parents, and then they have offspring and their offspring are slightly different from them, and it keeps going on and on and on until you get the final product.

Dr. Free-Ride: But what makes those differences between generations?

Elder offspring: Mutation.

Younger offspring: Well, I think, over the years, those ancestors decided to change their way. They decided to live a better life. So, they went to cavemen, who had clothes — not regular clothes from the modern time, but clothes — and they had all these clubs, and they slept on rocks, and they lived in caves.

Dr. Free-Ride: That’s an interesting idea. So, you think it was based on decisions by the common ancestors and their offspring about how to be. And you over there, you’re just talking about random changes in the heritable traits from one generation to the next.

Elder offspring: Yes. And adaptations to help them survive in their environment.

Dr. Free-Ride: Ah, adaptations! That’s very important. Do you remember the force that Darwin thought was very important in evolution?

Elder offspring: Natural selection?

Dr. Free-Ride: Yeah, so do you know what natural selection is?

Elder offspring: The ones who survive go on to have offspring, the ones who don’t, don’t.

Dr. Free-Ride: But what makes a difference in which organisms survive long enough to have offspring and which don’t?

Elder offspring: Those that survive long enough to have offspring will have more of their type of creature.

Younger offspring: But why do those ones survive and the other ones don’t?

Dr. Free-Ride: The idea is that the traits you have can be inherited through your genes. If some of the characteristics you have are really well suited to your environment —

Elder offspring: Then you survive and breed.

Dr. Free-Ride: At least, you have a better chance of surviving. There’s still some luck involved.

Elder offspring: And then at least some of your offspring survive and breed, and then at least some of those survive and breed, and it goes on and on and on.

Dr. Free-Ride: Sure. But what’s happening there is that some of the traits that really don’t work so well in that environment, if the environment in relatively stable, just won’t last very long because the creatures that have those traits won’t last long enough to breed and pass them on to offspring. So here’s a thought: If there are apes and there are humans, and they have a common ancestor, maybe some of the common ancestor-type creatures, whatever they were, were in one kind of environment where the traits we’d think of as ape-like traits helped them to survive better, and maybe some other of the very same common ancestor-type creatures were in another environment where what we think of as the human traits were the ones that were useful for staying alive long enough to have offspring. Or, possibly, they could have been in very similar environments and ended up with two different ways to do well in that environment.

Younger offspring: Apes wear hair, we wear clothes.

Elder offspring: And we cook.

Younger offspring: And apes dig food out of each other’s hair.

Dr. Free-Ride: After a certain point, maybe we ended up with adaptation that were different from the ones our cousins the apes ended up with.

Younger offspring: My brother the ape!

Dr. Free-Ride: The song may say “my brother,” but I’m inclined to think the relationship is more like cousins than siblings.

Elder offspring: It’s more of a brother than the shrimp.

Dr. Free-Ride: Sure, and the shrimp is in the song too, I understand.

Younger offspring: And the lichens!

Elder offspring: And the anteater!

Dr. Free-Ride: But I’m not sure how you’ll feel about this part: I don’t think necessarily that the changes between us and the apes were anything that our ancestors intended. I think some of it was just whether the traits they had helped them survive in the environment they had, so they could have babies with the traits that they did. And some of it was luck.

The sprogs then went off to draw some common ancestors, as they imagine them.

From the younger offspring, a common ancestor of modern humans and modern apes (who also appears to be an ancestor of modern blue meanies:

From the elder offspring, a transitional form between trilobites and monkeys:

I wouldn’t have even thought to look for such a transitional form. Shows what I know.

Friday Sprog Blogging: what is Friday Sprog Blogging about?

Back in January 2006, when my blog moved to ScienceBlogs, I put up a post the first Friday that I thought was going to be a one-off, a reconstruction of a conversation I had with my kids (then 4.5 and 6.5 years of age) that struck me as having a distinctly science-y nature. As it happened, almost every Friday since then, we have posted a conversation (or artwork, or something along those lines) that we have had about science.

This week, the tradition moves to Scientopia.

Dr. Free-Ride: Because the blog just moved from ScienceBlogs to Scientopia, I wanted you to explain what the Friday Sprog Blogging is about.

Younger offspring: Friday Sprog Blogging is mostly about talking about stuff scientific, and typing it down on the blog, so other people could give feedback and learn about stuff that they didn’t really learn about before.

Dr. Free-Ride: What do you think, elder offspring? What’s the Friday Sprog Blogging about?

Elder offspring: Well, it’s about you talking to your kids about something science-y, and then you type it, and then people give feedback like, “Oh my gosh, this is so cute!” or “Oh my gosh, your kids are so smart!” or one of those things.

Dr. Free-Ride: You think that’s what it’s about, an affirmation of how cute you are or how smart you are?

Elder offspring: Yes.

Dr. Free-Ride: You think that’s the only value people get out of the Friday Sprog Blog?

Elder offspring: Yes.

Younger offspring: I think that’s really wrong. I think that’s off.

Dr. Free-Ride: So, what other kind of value do you think people get from the Friday Sprog Blog?

Younger offspring: Well, they could feed back like, “I didn’t know this was true! Can you tell me more about it in the next blog?” Or something like that.

Dr. Free-Ride: So, you think it actually gets people interested in particular scientific questions or particular areas of science that they might explore further?

Younger offspring: Uh huh.

Dr. Free-Ride: Do you think it might also be of interest to people who maybe have sprogs of their own and are trying to figure out how to talk with them about stuff as their little kids are learning stuff?

Younger offspring: Uh huh.

Elder offspring: First of all, I’m not a little kid.

Dr. Free-Ride: Well, you’re not anymore, but when we started this four-and-a-half years ago, you were. You were just six-and-a-half.

Younger offspring: Can I say something?

Dr. Free-Ride: Sure.

Younger offspring: Hi, Little Isis! Hi Minnow! Hi PharmKid! Hi PalKid!

Dr. Free-Ride: OK, your shout-outs* are noted. Anyway, elder offspring, you used to be little when we started this. You were in kindergarten —

Elder offspring: First grade.

Dr. Free-Ride: Still, in January of 2006, arguably, you were littler than you are now.

Elder offspring: “Smaller” is the correct grammar.

Dr. Free-Ride: Fine, smaller. But, don’t you think that parents sometimes might have questions about whether they can really talk to their young kids about science? Don’t you think sometimes parents might be anxious and think, “Oooh, I might get this wrong. Oooh, I should probably just wait until my kid is in school and the science teachers in school can teach them all they need to know”?

Younger offspring: No, I don’t think people should do that. I think kids should start learning about science when they’re young and before they go on to science classes, like in third grade.

Dr. Free-Ride: Why do you think kids should learn while they’re young?

Younger offspring: Well, while they’re really young, and they learn more than just third grade science, then they’ll get smarter, and if you learn something when you’re older, it’s hard, ’cause you don’t have much time to get better at it.

Dr. Free-Ride: OK, I hadn’t really thought of it that way. What I was thinking — and maybe it was just because you two were my kids — my sense was that little kids seem to want to learn about everything in their world, about how everything works, and about how to figure out stuff that they don’t know yet.

Younger offspring: Well, we learned how to talk. And that’s because we’ve been listening to you, right?

Dr. Free-Ride: That’s part of it. I think there’s probably more to it than that. But elder offspring, you don’t think the Friday Sprog Blog is at all interesting or useful to people who are trying to figure out how to interact with their kids’ questions about the world and how it works?

Elder offspring: Well, we all know we can let the adults make their own decisions because, as we all know, adults are perfect and they do everything correctly and they are the supreme idols for everybody.

Dr. Free-Ride: You know what, even I can tell that that’s your sarcastic voice.

Younger offspring: Yes, mother, I’ll follow your command!

Dr. Free-Ride: I think something you guys might not realize so much is that, a lot of times adults, and especially parents, feel really nervous — feel like they’re supposed to know stuff that they don’t actually know.

Younger offspring: Is that you and [Dr. Free-Ride’s better half]?

Dr. Free-Ride: I think that’s everyone. And I think sometimes especially parents trying to figure out how to deal with really young kids, and trying to help those kids figure out the world that they’re in, those parents sometimes feel nervous about having to make it up as they go. And I guess one of the things that happened with the Friday Sprog Blog that I didn’t expect would happen is it seemed like it ended up being a little bit of a “meta” conversation about , here’s how to talk to your kids without necessarily teaching them — but here’s how to keep the conversation going about how to figure out your world. And you guys are still figuring out your world, right? Even though you know it a lot better than you did in January of 2006?

Elder offspring: I know that when I’m an adult I will know everything, and there will be no need to study now when I’m young and foolish.

Dr. Free-Ride: Again with the sarcastic voice!

Younger offspring: Hee!

Dr. Free-Ride: So, we’re going to keep up the Friday Sprog Blogging on Scientopia?

Elder offspring: Yes.

Younger offspring: Yes! But is there any other place on Scientopia for kids?

Dr. Free-Ride: Well, there’s a whole blog called Child’s Play devoted to how kids’ brains develop.

Elder offspring: As kids get to puberty, their brains grow huge, soaking up knowledge.

Dr. Free-Ride: You know what else they’re soaking up besides knowledge at puberty, kiddo? They’re soaking up the hormones that make the brain a little bit unpredictable for a few years. That’s something that we have to look forward to, and I guess the Friday Sprog Blogs might start getting into the adolescent at puberty brain chemistry wacky stage soon.
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*Or should that be shouts-out?

Friday Sprog Blogging: climate change and ecosystems.

Driving home with the Free-Ride offspring yesterday, we heard a story on the radio that caught out attention. (The radio story discusses newly published research that’s featured on the cover of Nature this week.) When we got home, we had a chat about it.

Dr. Free-Ride: What did you guys learn from that story on the radio about the yellow-bellied marmot?

Elder offspring: That, in the short term, climate change is good for some species.

Dr. Free-Ride: Tell me more about that.
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Friday Sprog Blogging: limits on screen time.

Dr. Free-Ride: I know you have some views, maybe, or questions, or something, about the American Academy of Pediatrics recommendations about children, adolescents, and television. Although it’s not actually just television, it’s other screens, too. So, first off, can I get your general reaction to the fact that your pediatrician even has a view about what you should be doing with respect to screen time?
Elder offspring: (Piteous wailing.)
Dr. Free-Ride: That’s rather inarticulate.
Elder offspring: (Poses like the figure in “The Scream”)
Dr. Free-Ride: While this shows that you’ve been educated about art, it doesn’t really answer my question. Here, have a look at the concerns that their document lists. Are there particular of these concerns that you think are reasonable and particular one that you, personally, maybe think are not?

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In which Socratic parenting backfires.

I’ve been busy in the three-dimensional world, where I am in the middle of committing an unnatural act for an academic: writing out every word of a lecture. (As weird as it is, it makes the video production of that lecture easier — more about that in the fullness of time.) In between such unnatural acts, however, I’ve been schlepping the sprogs to their summertime activities.
Today, during one such schlep, the following exchange occurred.

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Friday Sprog Blogging: trust and the internet.

Regular readers will recall that this is not the first time the Free-Ride family has discussed skepticism and trust.
Dr. Free-Ride: You two are both exploring the internet more lately, and you know that one of the things people use the internet for is to sell you stuff, right?
Younger offspring: Yeah.
Elder offspring: Yeah.
Dr. Free-Ride: So how do you tell if the people selling you stuff are telling the truth about what they’re selling?

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